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	<title>Comments on: Editorial: Is Oregon Reddit being used to its full potential?</title>
	<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/</link>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: OregonLive Reddit now based on latest not greatest &#187; Silicon Florist</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3139</link>
		<dc:creator>OregonLive Reddit now based on latest not greatest &#187; Silicon Florist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3139</guid>
		<description>[...] I had written an earlier editorial on OregonLive Reddit about its wealth of potential, I thought it appropriate to post that&#8212;until further notice&#8212;that potential is now [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I had written an earlier editorial on OregonLive Reddit about its wealth of potential, I thought it appropriate to post that&#8212;until further notice&#8212;that potential is now [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Richardson</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3081</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3081</guid>
		<description>The traffic to OregonLive is absolutely astounding and getting a link from the front page, any link, is a gigantic traffic boost.

The problem of downvoting was pretty bad when they only had one item on the front page; now they have two, and it got a bit better, but at the same time, it became more popular.

If the goal is to foster a community, then they're completely failing.  The goal, I think, is to give more reasons for people to go to oregonlive so they can see local self-published content.

The traffic boost from a front page oregonlive link is huge, and so of course the system is going to be gamed, and of course it's not large enough to actually work with the reddit system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The traffic to OregonLive is absolutely astounding and getting a link from the front page, any link, is a gigantic traffic boost.</p>
<p>The problem of downvoting was pretty bad when they only had one item on the front page; now they have two, and it got a bit better, but at the same time, it became more popular.</p>
<p>If the goal is to foster a community, then they&#8217;re completely failing.  The goal, I think, is to give more reasons for people to go to oregonlive so they can see local self-published content.</p>
<p>The traffic boost from a front page oregonlive link is huge, and so of course the system is going to be gamed, and of course it&#8217;s not large enough to actually work with the reddit system.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron B. Hockley</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron B. Hockley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3065</guid>
		<description>Other bit of info: I'll vote down anything that comes from the oregonlive.com domain.  I figure they ought to be able to promote their own stuff on the other 99% of the website, and that the reddit section should be for non-OLive content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other bit of info: I&#8217;ll vote down anything that comes from the oregonlive.com domain.  I figure they ought to be able to promote their own stuff on the other 99% of the website, and that the reddit section should be for non-OLive content.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3064</guid>
		<description>I like the Oregon Reddit - I've found some really fascinating stuff on there (as well as submitted a few of my noteworthy blog posts on there).  But I'll agree - it's not being used to its full potential.  And I think it just has to do with the small userbase!  I love Reddit - I go there everyday.  But believe you me, I'm sure that social media site would confuse people.  Digg, eh, it's a little easier... there's a big "Digg this!" call to action instead of an up &#38; down arrow.

And I'll agree - there is some gaming involved (particularly with the presidential stories magically having a lot of votes and others down to 0 or even in the negative realm).  I'll vote down stories I find not interesting but also NOT OREGON / SOUTHWEST WASHINGTON related.  If I want something other than Pacific Northwest news... I'll go somewhere else, thank you very much.

That being said, it's an active community... though a small one.  If they keep on incorporating into the site and getting the name out there, I think it'll just keep on steadily growing little by little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Oregon Reddit - I&#8217;ve found some really fascinating stuff on there (as well as submitted a few of my noteworthy blog posts on there).  But I&#8217;ll agree - it&#8217;s not being used to its full potential.  And I think it just has to do with the small userbase!  I love Reddit - I go there everyday.  But believe you me, I&#8217;m sure that social media site would confuse people.  Digg, eh, it&#8217;s a little easier&#8230; there&#8217;s a big &#8220;Digg this!&#8221; call to action instead of an up &amp; down arrow.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll agree - there is some gaming involved (particularly with the presidential stories magically having a lot of votes and others down to 0 or even in the negative realm).  I&#8217;ll vote down stories I find not interesting but also NOT OREGON / SOUTHWEST WASHINGTON related.  If I want something other than Pacific Northwest news&#8230; I&#8217;ll go somewhere else, thank you very much.</p>
<p>That being said, it&#8217;s an active community&#8230; though a small one.  If they keep on incorporating into the site and getting the name out there, I think it&#8217;ll just keep on steadily growing little by little.</p>
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		<title>By: Jmartens</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>Jmartens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3063</guid>
		<description>we need something a little less commercial than Oregonlive.

so in a shameless bit of self promotion, if someone wants to help clean up the look a bit we can use http://portland.goboz.com/news which is all ready set up in a similar way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need something a little less commercial than Oregonlive.</p>
<p>so in a shameless bit of self promotion, if someone wants to help clean up the look a bit we can use <a href="http://portland.goboz.com/news" rel="nofollow">http://portland.goboz.com/news</a> which is all ready set up in a similar way.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Turoczy</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3062</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Turoczy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3062</guid>
		<description>I think my primary issue is the fact that there is a very large audience---for right or wrong---that visits the OregonLive site on a regular basis. 

That audience is not the astute, intelligent, and well-groomed audience that regularly visits Silicon Florist. ;) 

But I still want those folks---en masse---to hear about all of the cool stuff happening with Web-startups here in the Silicon Forest. What's more, myopic or not, I think what many of the startups here are doing are, in fact, newsworthy.

I think it's the sheer girth of the audience I find so attractive for being rife with wasted potential. And that's the one thing that a new site, without voracious, expensive, and continued promotion, may never have the hope of attracting.

That said, I'm totally willing to give that try if others are game. I'd much rather be promoting a resource (like I currently promote Oregon Reddit) that was more beneficial for the greater social media good. 

P.S. Love seeing all of the OpenID comments. Wahoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my primary issue is the fact that there is a very large audience&#8212;for right or wrong&#8212;that visits the OregonLive site on a regular basis. </p>
<p>That audience is not the astute, intelligent, and well-groomed audience that regularly visits Silicon Florist. <img src='http://siliconflorist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But I still want those folks&#8212;en masse&#8212;to hear about all of the cool stuff happening with Web-startups here in the Silicon Forest. What&#8217;s more, myopic or not, I think what many of the startups here are doing are, in fact, newsworthy.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s the sheer girth of the audience I find so attractive for being rife with wasted potential. And that&#8217;s the one thing that a new site, without voracious, expensive, and continued promotion, may never have the hope of attracting.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m totally willing to give that try if others are game. I&#8217;d much rather be promoting a resource (like I currently promote Oregon Reddit) that was more beneficial for the greater social media good. </p>
<p>P.S. Love seeing all of the OpenID comments. Wahoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3061</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3061</guid>
		<description>"To date, I’ve found the service a valuable means of helping put what you’re doing on the virtual front page of The Oregonian, if only for a brief time."

This is the actual problem. Unlike Digg, Reddit, and other social linking communities, the point of Oregon reddit is not to be in (and participate in) the reddit section; the point is to make it to that front page of Oregonlive. 

When the post is put on the front page, it is just a link to a website. So, the main goal(s) of this social network is to leave the social network. 
People who are participating are mostly there to make it to the un-social front-page and then have the OregonLive readers leave the (small) connection that link has to the reddit page and Oregonlive completely. 

This will obviously only change if the number of users greatly increases and adds more functions of a social networking platform (groups, interests, etc). This might happen, but I think it is highly unlikely. 

It may seem natural for those of us is the twitter/digg/slashdot/reddit/friendfeed, etc echo-chamber to embrace such a place. But, I think the vast, vast majority of people on OregonLive want their traditional Oregonian articles and have no want of participating in that network. Those of us who do participate in such networks have so many other and better avenues and little need to participate in that one. 

I already subscribe to a good percentage of the people who post there, so I am seeing mostly the same titles/posts I have already seen with added newstainment from the traditional media. I think that this is true of a lot of "participants". Therefore, without strong community features--which are likely to not be used anyway since we are all talking/viewing/reading on other ones already--it will continue to be exactly what it is, a traffic generator plus broadened exposure for those that make it to the front page of Oregonlive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To date, I’ve found the service a valuable means of helping put what you’re doing on the virtual front page of The Oregonian, if only for a brief time.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the actual problem. Unlike Digg, Reddit, and other social linking communities, the point of Oregon reddit is not to be in (and participate in) the reddit section; the point is to make it to that front page of Oregonlive. </p>
<p>When the post is put on the front page, it is just a link to a website. So, the main goal(s) of this social network is to leave the social network.<br />
People who are participating are mostly there to make it to the un-social front-page and then have the OregonLive readers leave the (small) connection that link has to the reddit page and Oregonlive completely. </p>
<p>This will obviously only change if the number of users greatly increases and adds more functions of a social networking platform (groups, interests, etc). This might happen, but I think it is highly unlikely. </p>
<p>It may seem natural for those of us is the twitter/digg/slashdot/reddit/friendfeed, etc echo-chamber to embrace such a place. But, I think the vast, vast majority of people on OregonLive want their traditional Oregonian articles and have no want of participating in that network. Those of us who do participate in such networks have so many other and better avenues and little need to participate in that one. </p>
<p>I already subscribe to a good percentage of the people who post there, so I am seeing mostly the same titles/posts I have already seen with added newstainment from the traditional media. I think that this is true of a lot of &#8220;participants&#8221;. Therefore, without strong community features&#8211;which are likely to not be used anyway since we are all talking/viewing/reading on other ones already&#8211;it will continue to be exactly what it is, a traffic generator plus broadened exposure for those that make it to the front page of Oregonlive.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris O'Rourke</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3058</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris O'Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3058</guid>
		<description>Since I hate Oregonlive with an allconsuming passion (long drawn out story but most of you who dislike wouldn't be surprised at the details in the story) I'm willing to host an alternative and even develop it and publicize it if someone can think of a good name. On top of that I'd be willing to try and make it use openID so new users wouldn't have to go through registration hoops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I hate Oregonlive with an allconsuming passion (long drawn out story but most of you who dislike wouldn&#8217;t be surprised at the details in the story) I&#8217;m willing to host an alternative and even develop it and publicize it if someone can think of a good name. On top of that I&#8217;d be willing to try and make it use openID so new users wouldn&#8217;t have to go through registration hoops.</p>
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		<title>By: dietrich ayala</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3057</link>
		<dc:creator>dietrich ayala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3057</guid>
		<description>Another problem: The content is about 1/3 of the visible page. The rest is OregonLive chrome or advertisements. Ugh.

Quite the opposite of Reddit itself, which is fantastically content-centric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another problem: The content is about 1/3 of the visible page. The rest is OregonLive chrome or advertisements. Ugh.</p>
<p>Quite the opposite of Reddit itself, which is fantastically content-centric.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron B. Hockley</title>
		<link>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3056</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron B. Hockley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://siliconflorist.com/2008/04/28/editorial-is-oregon-reddit-being-used-to-its-full-potential/#comment-3056</guid>
		<description>My thoughts on Oregon Reddit:
- nobody knows it exists... well, until now, of course :)  I'd never heard of it until it started sending traffic to VanPortlander
- It's associated with OregonLive, which instantly makes folks cringe.
- There's no way anybody is going to find it, or figure out how to use it, unless they know what it is and know where to look.

I'll go through phases where I look at it daily, then I'll hit a dry spell.  I guess I should go submit this post, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts on Oregon Reddit:<br />
- nobody knows it exists&#8230; well, until now, of course <img src='http://siliconflorist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;d never heard of it until it started sending traffic to VanPortlander<br />
- It&#8217;s associated with OregonLive, which instantly makes folks cringe.<br />
- There&#8217;s no way anybody is going to find it, or figure out how to use it, unless they know what it is and know where to look.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go through phases where I look at it daily, then I&#8217;ll hit a dry spell.  I guess I should go submit this post, eh?</p>
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